How do I remove "Powered By Buzztouch" from the admin control panel? I just don't want to see that in the self-hosted server. I looked around for away to do this and find nothing. TIA

Sorry I also mean self-hosted server.

why remove it keeps you grounded lol. it is powered by buzztouch after all

Yep - I think if you're going to let people log into the software that Buzztouch created, Buzztouch should get some credit for that.

I disagree. Apache runs 90% of the web servers and doesn't plaster their logo and URL on websites. You could its optional. As well as every other open source software. Your point doesn't make sense.why Let people know I use buzz touch and they can do it themselves. Defeats the purpose

Well there has been some issues in the past with people taking the self-hosted software and trying to advertise it as a competitive product to Buzztouch.

That's just plain wrong as we both know. I just wanna show clients without branding

Lets take it offline then

What are you trying to show to your clients? Why do you have to show your clients what you use, couldn't you just show them the end product on the simulator?

Yes of course I can. What I really meant was I want them to be able to login via the portal and create modify their app etc. Otherwise they login via portal, and see buzztouch, "so why am i paying you, when i can do this my self?"

send me a pm

I see what both of you mean.. @chris1 - i don't think @orangetraining is trying to claim to have built BT from the ground up. however, taking the buzztouch.com name away from the footer so that we would have more clients. thats understandable - i remember in the webinar where David mentioned that there are people/companies claiming to have proprietary rights over the "software". also, its true to give the credit. i think there is a fine line of course! i dont think removing it has much harm until you've taken it to another level of ownership!

@mysps I couldn't agree more. Certainly the html in the server could list buzztouch in it.

All of the plugins have reference to buzztouch if the user takes the time to read the descriptions if they indeed have access. That's just my 2cents :) I'm pro Buzztouch for sure!! Give credit where credit is due! I recommend it to all of my close friends who are serious about app making! My brother has a paid membership here as well.

yup, it would be pretty hard to remove all references to Buzztouch. Not that it stops some people from trying though. btw - careful on the refreshes - keeps reposting.

true chris some people go out of their way to steal its a shame :/

Hi guys, Wanted to give my two cents on this issue. FYI **** I've removed most if not ALL references to buzztouch on my server, I constantly have clients login in and working in my server without a clue to buzztouch, and there are plenty of reasons for this. 1. It's true that if they saw buzztouch, and checked it out, they might be -outraged- at the fact that they are paying me thousands for an app when they can make it for free, right here on this site. The matter of the fact is that either many of my clients simply don't understand how time consuming an app project may be. They are paying for my service, my year(s) of knowledge of buzztouch and how to make it the best possible way, and of course tweaking and coding their needs, xcode, eclipse, code signing, push, and the list can go on. It's hard to explain this to a client when they are looking at the homepage of buzztouch that tells them they can make an app in 3 steps (It's true, but you also need to put a lot of time into it to make it a good quality project). Some clients just don't care to know the details, all that is stuck in their head is that they are paying me thousands for a free product, and the conversation is dead, no second chances for me to explain the reasoning. They are gone. My income is gone. Hope this makes sense. 2. Let's say I am able to relay this information to a client, and they understand that they are paying me for a service - now they devalue my time and product, if this guy can make it for free, and within x amount of days, theres no way its worth x amount of money! The fact is that I have spent so much of my time here working and tinkering, that I am able to do things in hours which would have taken me days or even weeks. I worked myself up to this level, because I can do it fast does not suddenly devalue my product. But it does in their eyes. 3. Let's say I left the branding up, many potential clients will simply attempt buzztouch (and sure they can make an app) but I just lost a client by advertising for another service (which again, is fine, but there is a difference between buzztouch and my service). Because they left, I did not have time to let them know that going with me instead of buzztouch would be a better choice (I have intense knowledge of what kind of plugins, what kind of tweaks and what kind of features the market I'm hitting needs, plus I know how to do it all already and save them potentially weeks of time). As for giving credit or supporting buzztouch - TOTALLY. It's hard to support buzztouch by leaving a footer credit when trying to avoid the above issues. For those who think someone is doing a disservice or is not supporting bt by removing the link is not true. This person most likely is paying for an API key, which directly supports buzztouch. I talked to David once about this, he told me not to worry about the link removal, but that I should not worry about clients leaving if they understand that they are buying my service, my time. Unfortunately, my clients simply do not understand or I am unable to save them in time before they leave. It's hard. I do NOT believe that sites that are in direct competition of buzztouch by using the same service is OK. That's not OK and that is the line. But as with ALL open sourced software, that is always bound to happen. In my opinion, if you want to remove the link, go for it. If you want to give back to buzztouch in another way as "compensation" in addition to paying for an API key, that's super encouraged. You can be "pro-buzztouch" many ways. Hope this all makes sense and maybe shows some different perspective on my experience. David https://buzztouchmods.com

Well said David! I understand 100% and it makes a lot of sense. But like you said, direct competition and stealing in that manner is totally not OK

I couldn't agree with David more

I can't really see why there's an issue. The server code is released under a GNU General Public Licence. The change you want to make is in <server>/includes/class.Page.php

Thanks raveyd. I just wanted where to change it, not a discussion on giving credit to buzz touch. I have no interest in creating a competitive service. Even if I did, I wouldn't know how.

Its a two way thing. Both understandable.

David/BT even encourage it: https://www.buzztouch.com/BT-server/ Branding Self hosting allows you to direct your clients, customers, and colleagues to your own branded control panel without visiting buzztouch.com. CSS style sheets allow you to customize the interface without much effort. David just recently posted some great tidbits here on customizing your install: http://www.buzztouch.com/forum/thread.php?tid=C48E77559F0F34C997F7B77&fid=06DB0BCB08E6666&sortColumn=FT.id&sortUpDown=&currentPage=2 No official documentation for the BT server yet - and it is a evolving project. So don't tweak it too much unless you document it well and plan to tweak again when the next update occurs..... They recently added a new teammate to help with SH and I'm hoping this will get even more customizable once he gets rolling.... :)

Hi gang.... A few thoughts and some clarifications from our perspective. --Removing the Buzztouch branding from a self hosted control panel: Totally OK. Totally understandable. This does not speak to those seeking to "trick" people into thinking their "magic" or "proprietary" back end or "app building software" is somehow "one of a kind" or "magic." In other words, the self hosted software is not designed to help our members create sites that offer the same thing we do - this makes no sense. This is why there is not a Register screen, because it's not designed to attract people looking to CREATE THEIR OWN APPS. Again, we already advertise to that market and we aren't interested in literally competing with Buzztouch Members for the same traffic, search results, etc. The self hosted software is designed to help Buzztouch Members take more control over the data, their brand, and their customers overall experience. Think: "Custom features." Doing this oftentimes requires special branding, makese perfect sense. You'll see us express some frustration sometimes when we see folks blatantly misleading people. This is the root of many problems. When folks don't tell the truth, or mislead their clients, bad things happens. We're super stoked to help people help their clients. Sometimes their clients know who we are, sometimes they don't, it all depends on how interested they are in technical things. We've found that the VAST MAJORITY OF CLIENTS DON'T CARE that they could do this themselves and are happy that their technical professional has partnered with a software vendor like Buzztouch. Customers generally are not interested building apps, compling apps, dealing with the details, this isn't for everyone. Basically it's a difference between creating an app from start to finish or managing an app after it's complete. We think you can offer a great deal of value to your clients by providing all the details work, building, compling, advising, updating, etc. Bottom line, it's usually BETTER to highlight your experience using Buzztouch tools to create customer solutions and customized experiences than it is to go to great lenghts to hide this. We'll embrace any Buzztouch Member that offers app expertise to their clients - so long as they understand our meaningful relationship :-) David

Great discussion. @David summed it up perfectly. All @orangetraining did was ask a simple(And VALID) question and people jumped down his throat. If you don't agree with someone simply don't reply on the forum, send a PM. Please let's not use this forum for making people feel like they're breaking the law for asking a simple coding question. @orangetraining was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay nicer than I would have been. PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. THREAD HELPED ME AND IM SURE MANY OTHERS!