More Plugins Please! The Plugin monster is hungry. When do we expect to see some more plugins? especially the form creator, which is much needed by many. I'm greedy and impatient and want to spend my money, all of a sudden computer games doesn't do it for me anymore, but plugins do. "Let me hear some noise from the BT community!" Fantastic work from the developers submitting plugins and for Susan's dedication to get them to the market. No pressure, but I'm hungry!

haha quality! What have you heard about this forms plugin? Im interested in this one. -Nick

I bet David comes into work tomorrow and scours the forums and he's like "Our people want more plugins!, Suzan give our people plugins!"

I believe Chris1 has one in queue, not sure if anyone else has. But I'm guessing its the ability to creator email/web forms. This will be ideal for creating booking forms etc. Really need this one and by the sounds of it so do many others. I'm assuming this will have a native feel.

Yeah, well going forward I think a mobile forms plugin would be fantastic, I set up a firm with forms from www.devicemagic.co.uk, in fact now the forms are deeply rooted in their infrastructure, being able to produce things like HVAC Forms from a BuzzTouch plugin would totally diversify BuzzTouch from any competitors. IBA Forms was a GitHub Project I was playing around with last week, if you could successfully integrate it you put that plugin on the market for $200 and people would still buy it. I certainly would.

Word on the street is that some of your wishes will be granted.

lol! Not to sure about paying $200 but I hear you, I would be prepared to pay an extra premium for it.

haha, well my firm pays £7 per device per month for this service. I'm in talks with doing the same thing for a firm that has 2,000 devices. £14,000. Per. Month. EDIT: That would be paid to Device Magic not me. Obviously I'm on a resellers program so i'd get a percentage but no where near £14,00 lol.

OK, you have won me round. Good Luck with your deal, let me know if you want to spread the wealth. lol!

I hear some plugins are coming out soon. :) Miguel

I talked to susan yesterday and she said this "He is on vacation with his family this week, but he does talk a lot about his backlog of plugins." -Susan So i guess we will see the plugins starting early next week.

2 issues prevent me from releasing plugins. One - I wouldn't feel comfortable charging for a plugin and not being able to give 100% support, as I'm not a competent enough coder. I wonder how many plugin devs know and understand every single line of code in their plugin? To not know every element of what i'm producing, and be able to react to any scenario, would be, to me, a disservice to users who've paid hard earned cash. Two - I could return here in 30 minutes with most (all?) paid plugins saved on my desktop for free. From a hard headed business point of view I'm not going to release a product to only see a fraction of the potential earnings.

I don't understand this line "I can return here in 30 minutes with most (all?) paid plugins saved on my desktop for free."

And I'm not going to expand on it!

Raveyd, what's eating you up? You seem unhappy?

Hey @Dragon007, I'm always happy! Look - :))) Just giving my reasons why I'm not releasing plugins at the moment.

I read it wrong Apologies. raveyd. :)

Hey Raveyd, I understand your point of view, but don't totally agree. Specially because this is Buzztouch. I've never been in to internet and forum communities, but this does in fact seem different. I also agree the some developers don't understand all the lines in their plugins, and I include myself in those, but if we all think like you, we would just have to wait for David's plugins and BT wouldn't grow and give more possibilities as it does. I think most plugins or even all, specially since 2013, and very tested by the developer, other developers and by BT. So that gives the buyer some confidence. It's like apple, nowadays its not likely for an app to not work or not do what it describes. I also feel that BT community is ready and comprehends that some issues with a plugin may rise, but haven't seen any plugin issue that hasn't been solved. Even some BT updates have trouble and problems, and we get there. Thats BT. I'm sure we would all gain with your plugins and you can just team up with another developer. Me, as an end user and plugin buyer, I much rather have it like it is, which opens my possibilities and quality of my apps, knowing some issues may appear, then having fewer plugins, like you did a year ago. But I do understand your point of view, this is mine. Cheers Miguel

Nothing to apologize for Nick. Just voicing my concerns. I'm sure I'm not the only person to see the loopholes, and I'm equally sure that people are exploiting them.

Men will always find the loopholes and try to exploit them. Hey, banks get ripped off every day... that doesn't stop them from offering home banking. Its the way it is. But I also feel that most are honest about it. And looking from a head business point of view, if you already gave your time to make a plugin, might as well get something back. I rather get 90 back knowing that 10 are ripping me off, then get none back. Apple gets ripped off when people jailbreak, its the way it is.

MadRod, couldn't put it any better and totally agree. I'm not a coder, in fact I hate it and terrible at it. But for me beggars cannot be choosers and I'm just grateful that there are those willing to take time out to give us plugins. I don't expect it to be easy when I get them, I have notice some bugs with some of the plugins, as Mad said most often someone will have a fix. Raveyd, don't give up!

All very good points @MadRod - I see your point of view completely and agree to an extent. I guess the issue is with me. I just don't feel comfortable to release plugins at this point in time, but I'm sure that'll change. Talking of banks - I tried to amend a standing order over the phone last night. For some reason they deleted it instead. They compensated me £60 for the "distress and anxiety"! Result!

@raveyd - You and I should chat again......

@raveyd I totally know what you're talking about, and I'm sure plenty of others know too - let's hope the wrong people don't get the right information. Plugin developers are having a hard enough time making decent revenue. Once a good solution is found then I'm sure: 1. plugin developers will be more willing to submit plugins without the worry of extremely easy pirating/sharing/distribution from others. 2. plugin developers earnings and revenue from plugins suddenly increase. I'm with you too on support, I have a bunch of plugins I can submit right now, but they do have bugs, and I'm not prepared to offer support for them at this time, still busy offering support for the ones I already have out, including trying to get these updates through. David https://buzztouchmods.com

This is the nature of most businesses that offer extendability to a service, like themes/plugins for wordpress. There is no way to stop piracy, but there are ways to make it harder I think. Nothing wrong with buzztouch, we just need more time to grow as we find growing problems and solutions as they come up to our attention. David https://buzztouchmods.com

Thank you David! I knew I couldn't be the only one with these concerns. How you doing? Haven't seen you around for a while. @MacApple, drop me a pm anytime mate.

No problem! Been busy just wanted to share my two cents that you are not alone :-) Hope all has been well rave. Cheers, David https://buzztouchmods.com

Hi @raveyd, I totally agree with you on many on your points! Especially the one if developers really understand what they are coding. I code each line myself and if I don't understand it then it does not go into the market. LA

Guys, for none coders, our intention is not to undermine your feelings to the plugin issue you face and I can assure you that I am not someone who shares plugins once bought and I have no problem paying for plugins. I have no doubt Raveyd and MrDavid, you both have concerns and I would be willing to help find a solution to ease these concerns, if I could bring something to the table. Maybe BT should do a plugin market review and survey to identify some of your concerns, it may help move things forward.

Agreed. Huge difference between a simple 'email us' plug-in screen and a plug-in that talks to a back end service, parses some data and then displays it in your app. Like snowflakes, no 2 apps are the same so I don't see how a complex plug-in can really service multiple apps without some extra customization and support. and then when Apple or Android (or even BT mods their 'core') and decide to change something and your code ceases to work...

Love these debates!

Surely BT have a list of who has bought Plugins, who has a self hosted server AND who is using the plugins. As soon as a self hosted server start to report back using plugins they don't own or haven't bought, strip the membership. Piracy is not cool.

Hate to think someone is pirating BT plugins out there, but with as many members as we have I guess I shouldn't be surprised - the current revenue stream for plugins is low enough as it is. Piracy will only further discourage developers from making and selling plugins.

Nick you have a point, but its hard to see who is pirating the plugins. I don't think that when a self hosted connects to BT to download the package, that the info of what plugins are being packaged is shared. Besides that, in my case I had help from Kittsy, and if he likes the plugins, for sure he has it on his self hosted... and its not piracy. I know buzztouchmods gives out their plugins for users that use their service for self hosted, and thats not piracy either. Its gotta be another way for it.

Personally I don't know anything about any piracy going on. I don't think the plugin market is mature enough to attract that sort of interest yet - but give it time... All I'm saying is that it's a very easy thing to do to get paid plugins for free.

I think this thread might be giving out wrong ideas out there.... :-)

To expand on a point made by @ATRAIN53: "and then when Apple or Android (or even BT mods their 'core') and decide to change something and your code ceases to work..." This goes further, at least with Android. Most of the really cool Android stuff requires a library project or jar sdk. If these come from a pro company there'll be large elements of futureproofing, but if you grab a jar from some kids school project on github it could render an otherwise excellent plugin un-useable and un-repairable after an update.

I agree MadRod, when I started this post this wasn't the agenda and it feels like the thread has now a negative vibe to it. My intention was congratulate developers for there hard work and not to put ideas into people's heads. I wouldn't want anyone to read this thread anymore, I wish I could take it down. Can I take it down?

Hey @Dragon007, You started a great post so NEVER think or regret starting a post! Free speech is great! LA

Missed this thread over the weekend. I totally agree with Raveyd and MadRod! I've got a couple of plugins that I use, they arent in the store for the sole reason i'd have to devote time to updating the plugin and would feel obliged to rewrite if (god forbid) an update rendered the plugin unusable or updateable. Although I don't think this is likely to happen for iOS. Perhaps an addition and possible a solution to one of the problems. Making the Plugin Market available on Self Hosted Servers. ? (<-That sentence makes it sound easy lol.) OR Charging more for self hosted servers with multiple clients? At the end of the day having more than just the core plugins available on your self hosted server for all of your clients to use is increasing retention. Hell i'd pay more than some of these prices if I knew I was serving 20 other clients who where getting it for free. :) Just a thought. -Nick

I know theres two major flaws with this. 1. Not having an integrated user database with BT. 2. BT has no idea how many clients some of the self hosted servers have.. hey ho just an idea.

Not sure I understand. Any plugin on the market is already available to install on your self-hosted server.

Any user on a Self Hosted Server can use a paid plugin as long as the admin has bought it and imported it into their BT server. It only needs to be bought once.

Yep that's how it currently works. Still not sure I understand the question/suggestion

I literally don't think I can explain it in any simpler terms. lol. The suggestion is simply a suggestion, it isn't possible from what I can see and there would always be ways round it (thats just the nature of the self hosted server).

Ok I re-read your post - you're suggesting clients of self-hosted members each have to buy the plugin for themselves, rather than the developer buying it once for all? That or a higher price for the developer. Right? Interesting thought. Would be hard to implement the first one though. And the second one would be not fun for those of us that just use self-hosted as an extension of Buzztouch.com rather than letting clients have access to the control panel. Something like this could feasibly be done with a bit of work if some of the php files were moved to Buzztouch.com where the developer couldn't monkey with the logic. But one of David's core principles with self-hosted is being almost fully autonomous. It would make an interesting conversation for St Louis. Will you be there?

Unfortunately not! Wish I could be though. Yeah its an interesting Topic, I'd imagine it would be something that's brought up at St Louis now.

Plugins from the market could come with a serial number to Be activated.

@MadRod - the problem is that they're all open-source, which is a hallmark of Buzztouch.

Surprised we have not heard anything from David or Susan on this one. Wonder if David is still on vaca... every buddy needs one!!

Perhaps it will be discussed at St Louis. My guess, though, is that the plugin market is still so new that they want to give it some time to see whether these issues will work themselves out or whether a more fundamental change will be needed.