Sorry not a "Grunt, Groan or Complaint" just couldn't find a "General topic" area..... QUESTION: Besides the Amazon App Store, how many places can you submit an android app? Is Google play the same as the "regular" android store? Besides the $25 Fee are there any costs associated? Links would also be appreciated.

Yes, the fee of realizing that Android is as capable as a child with downs syndrome...my advice is run, RUN from that platform as I can't convert any of my iOS apps over to Android (only doing so because of advertising money) because Android can't do the simplest things. Just my opinion.

Hi @BandO, I tend to agree with @lsills81...Android is kinda a pain. But, there is a huge user base. Google Play is the obvious big market, but the good thing about Android is that you can literally distribute your application anywhere. There are no market requirements at all...you can simply email it to people if you want, or put it on your own personal website! There are numerous markets out there, though, that you can indeed submit to. And, the Google $25 development fee is one time, lifetime, so in the end it's pretty cheap. Mark

@Mark Remember that you can just email the .ipa file and provisioning profile and you can do the same with iOS or setup Apple's Enterprising web distribution. Also in BTv2.0 you can use Over The Air Distribution. @Mark have you tried that yet? Thanks

You guys seem to be correct, I don't see to many POSITIVE reviews of the Android stores. All kinds of bugs, different device issues, etc...... Re: The OTA Distribution Are there codes segments I can copy to my 1.5 Apps or do I need to redo all the Apps in 2.0?

I think there is a way to copy the Config File from 1.5 to 2.0....IF you get that up and running I would really appreciate a post on how you did it. THANK YOU!!!

Pay no attention to iOS fanboys. Android does more than iOS and many new iOS features are yesterdays features on Android. Android has many apps that are high dollar and many more free apps. Freeimum is a higher revenue model than advertising or paid apps. If you wish to reach the Android user then fleeing the Android platform will get you zero, same as fleeing the iOS platform and expecting to reach iOS users. Many things are available in iOS only if you jailbreak which is a problem for publishers since most iOS users don't jailbreak. Fred

You guys seem to be correct, I don't see to many POSITIVE reviews of the Android stores. All kinds of bugs, different device issues, etc...... Re: The OTA Distribution Are there codes segments I can copy to my 1.5 Apps or do I need to redo all the Apps in 2.0?

Pay no attention to jealous hateful Android users. And please someone tell me how Java is more secure and robust then Unix and Objective C? @Fred LOL...typical Android lies. Fred you help out a lot here but your view on iOS is wrong. Why the f@ck can't ANY of my iOS apps simply compile in Eclipse then? Eclipse falls to its knees if I add a underscore to a image file (one example). Whatever you point out Andriod can do iOS can as well. Android app store Google Play looks like a beta. There is NO logical comparison between the two stores. And yes maybe there is more free apps but that means your user base is use to paying nothing for what they get. Fred is missing the sales side of this business as most programers do. We need 2 platforms for competition but this Android can do more then iOS is getting out of hand. Please prove me wrong.

Also: 1)Is there any kind of code signing or provisioning required in Android. I just uploaded the .apk to Amazon with no signing. Excuse for being novice but I'm used to App Id's and provisioning profiles. Did I miss something? 2) Is it better to create a more complex iOs version AND a SIMPLE Android version in your control panel since android seems to give sooooooo many problems as far as the functions available and cross device use?

"my advice is run, RUN from that platform as I can't convert any of my iOS apps over to Android." Surely that's your limitation then, not Androids? Plenty of people convert from one to the other..

Here's a post on Android vs iOS http://techybloggerz.com/15-things-android-can-do-but-iphone-cant/ In my view iOS is "better" than Android only comes from iOS users that don't know it understand Android. I'm not saying that you should use Android, just that 2 out of 3 new phone purchases are a smartphone, the majority of those are Android and if you wish to reach that market learn Android, just as Android users wishing to reach the iOS market must learn iOS. Fred

1)Is there any kind of code signing or provisioning required in Android. I just uploaded the .apk to Amazon with no signing. Excuse for being novice but I'm used to App Id's and provisioning profiles. Did I miss something? Android uses a signing certificate, read about it in my guide The Buzztouch Process. www.MySkylla.com 2) Is it better to create a more complex iOs version AND a SIMPLE Android version in your control panel since android seems to give sooooooo many problems as far as the functions available and cross device use? I mostly work in Android and don't have the "soooooo many problems". My advice for iOS apps be iOS, for Android apps be Android. If you don't learn the ends and outs of each system, then you'll have problems when you cross platforms. Fred

Hi @BandO, Here's a step-by-step, illustrated guide that will take you through the entire process of publishing an Android app, including all the code signing stuff: http://www.buzztouch.com/resources/buzztouch_For_Android-A_Users_Guide.pdf @lsills81, regarding your Over The Air question, that's primarily for distributing your app for testing purposes. You could use it to send your app to jailbroken phones, but that's asking a lot of your user base. Essentially, there's no good way to circumvent iTunes for distribution of your app (no need to reply here, @Fred...we've been over this a thousand times already). I've developed personal apps for both iOS and Android, and my experience is that iOS apps are generally more refined in their appearance and overall functionality. Take for instance the display of PDF files. In iOS, it just works...nothing extra is needed. In Android, you are required to install an additional app in order to read those files...so, the user has to have two apps to get all your content. Throw in Word or Excel files, and you're looking at a third app. All the while iOS is still using the same, single app. Aesthetically, I don't find Android apps to look as nice as iOS apps. That's perhaps due to the lack of review by Google Play on apps, or just the interface in general. No doubt there are some absolutely beautiful Android apps out there, but I haven't seen them yet. Finally, I think the general sentiment in this forum is that Android users expect pretty much everything for free. It's pretty darn hard to sell an app in Play vs. selling it in iTunes...both from my experience, and from anecdotal evidence. The majority of buzztouch users seem to make money based off ad revenue, and not app sales. So, @BandO...see what you stirred up! ;-) Hopefully this all helps a bit. Mark

@GoNorthWest Thanks again. I don't know why your so cool, but once again you have steered me in the right direction. MUCH APRECIATED! I owe you a toke next time I'm on your side of the Mississippi.........

My pleasure! It's a team effort here on the forums...lots of people contributing to our overall learning. Let us know if there are any other ways we can help! Mark

@GoNorthWest I think you hit the nail on the head. And as for as anyone not appreciating the power and security that unix has over Java only speaks from their opinion and not facts. @Fred you are correct, Android has a HUGE user base and I want to be part of it for the money only. Good points made here on both sides. I am thankful for Buzztouch and the members that make up this forum.

Love the debate! My view, if Anyone cares is, I have enjoyed my learning on iOS but simply hated not so much Android but Eclipse, it's poor mans tool! In the nices way. Also it doesn't help that on Android, you are building for about 60+ handsets, that in it self is a huge ask for anyone new to Android platform. But I will say there is still serious money to be made from the market, which I think is untapped. Just my thoughts.

@dragon007 That is a HUGE problem for developers, fragmentation! I can't image building an app for 50+ phones. I would rent a gun and buy a bullet....the very reason Apple controls their OS is to keep that from happening. Not sure why there aren't groups of developers in arms over such an oversight on Googles part. What about the bloatware that is force-fed every time you use your device or the different Android OS variations (depending on your carrier.) What is a carrier's branded software on a phone for anyway. My girlfriend works for a cell carrier and to see all the stuff that these carriers push on you through your phone is amazing. Again, just my thoughts...I appreciate hearing from other developers from both sides of the spectrum.

Here is what I was talking about with the Obj-C /Unix vs: Java Jelly Bean Is The Safest Version Of Android, Still Behind iOS In Security: http://t.co/AZeAf3I9 btw Jelly Bean is NOT open source....Android started killing that last year.