Currently, v2.0 for Android systems doesn't support header images, allow changes in row height, allow description lines in menu rows, etc. Do you plan for v2.0 to eventually have all the same features as 1.5, and is there any time-frame for that to happen? I'm asking because I don't want to spend a lot of time developing an app in 2.0 if it won't eventually have the features I mentioned.

I would also like to know the answer to this question.

BT Server v2.1.6 is the future. As more plugins are developed and users gain the knowledge & skill to create plugins you'll see that this is by far a better platform. Already a few plugins have been created, unfortunately the Android version is apparently not working. Someone recently posted that they're close to resolving the issues. In contrast, BTv1.4 & BTv1.5 will probably never get new screens. The stated intention is to complete the nonfunctional BTv1.5 Android Screens. But given limitation of resources I suspect that'll be a long time in coming. I think the Buzztouch Team will have it's hands full in just keep up with BTv2.0 (currently v2.1.6) and the continuing growth they had. So, in summary, time spent on BTv2.0 is well spent, but time spent on BTv1.4 and BTv1.5 has limited value. Buzztouch is/will transition to BTv2.0. Fred

Read Buzztouch's Manifesto (Does the BT team secretly wear Karl Marx underwear?) found in the About Buzztouch tab. Excerpt, Plugins are the power of buzztouch and buzztouch Server™ makes it incredibly easy to install plugins. create new plugins, share plugins, and extend existing plugins. Adding additional plugins (screen-types) to your mobile dev arsinal allows you to quickly and efficiently re-purpose prior work. Expect literally hundreds if not thousands of useful, fun, professional, beautiful, and flexible plugins to surface as time goes on. Hint: Learn how to create one, you'll be glad you did. Cheers and thanks... David Book buzztouch.com.

Question, and I probably know the answer but I'm sure many people would love to know the answer. I have apps currently developed in 1.5. As I transition to 2.0 and get my apps to a place where I feel good about releasing them, can I just upload updates to each respective app store to move them to my 2.0 versions? Sorry if this has already been covered. (I assume the answer is yes you can do this).

Sorry for the long post and No disrespect intended. So the capabilities that are working in the web version (1.4) are not capable in 2.1.6 (1.5) (server version) unless the plugins are created to do it. The website has features that are not capable in 2.1.6 (due to no android capabilities, but has iOS capabilities). I guess I am looking for the 2.1.6 version to atleast do what the web version does. Less capabilities does not seem like an upgrade to me. When I downloaded the server version, I expected to have to add the plugins needed to do what the site can do. After installing all the plugins that are available (official and 3rd party), I still can not get the same capabilities as the website without getting errors after errors. Is the web version using all of the plugins (official and 3rd party), if so how can they be downloaded to migrate to the 2.1.6 version? I am an android fan, but not an iphone(apple) fan (not here for an argument on OS versions) but would not keep me from developing a full plugin, not half a plugin (iOS not Android). I think the least that could be done would be to have the downloadable server version be able to do what the older web version does. If it does not then work on incorporating those missing plugins into it (so the newer can do what the older can do). I understand 3rd party products, but saying that the upgrade is better than the older, when the upgrade can not do all that the older one does, does not help the users that expect to be able to do the same thing as on the web, on their local server setup (without having to recode or rewrite completely the plugins to make them work). I can see the better capabilities when using a local setup (adding plugins etc.) but getting it to the same point (per plugins) as the web version is not an easy project. If it works in the old version, it should work in the new version, unless it is noted that the specific feature was removed. If not stated, any user would presume that the server version can do the same as the web version, just better. I deal with 3rd party packages for our OS all the time. We had to enforce/implement naming, version, etc. structure and had released beta non package to sort them out. If they are not fully working 100% in all aspects (and fully tested as so), then it is a beta. Once all things work (in all aspects) then it is released. The only ones that seem to work correctly are the ones from buzzTouch themselves. The 3rd party packages do not seem to work as they are not complete. Yet those are the same ones that are used on the web version of buzzTouch (per the output that is being shown on the screen). So it makes it look like a downgrade instead of an upgrade. Again no disrespect intended. Just expressing/explaining how I feel about the upgrade to a less capable product and the 3rd party plugins issues. I do look forward to working with buzzTouch a lot more in the future, as soon as I can get 3rd party plugins to work correctly (on android) like the web site has it working. Buzztouch is the best application/server/setup that I have found to create an android app. I would hate to have to look for something else, due to capabilities that have been removed/omitted/3rd party/etc.. For me, at this moment in time, the older (web) version is a better version than the one I have downloaded. Until plugins are working for everyone (android 'AND' iOS) I think my statement will stay as The web has more 'no code knowledge' capabilities than the downloadable server, because for creating the apps, it is more capable. Now with creating plugins, the server version may be better, but I don't want to develop a plugin, I want to build an android app that can work and look like the website android app that I created. At this point in time, this is not capable. If anyone has any suggestions for me to get the 3rd party plugins working, so that buzztouch is fully capable again, please let me know. I have asked around here and the mods site, with no replies yet. With all respect ... Thanks

I think you misunderstand what Buzztouch is. BTv1.5 is Beta for Early Adopter's. BT Server 2.1.6 is also Beta. Buzztouch has no control over 3rd party plugins. (Control is Apple's model) In my experience Buzztouch's biggest problem is that it's so useful, users forget it's Beta. I can do lots more with BTv1.5 Beta (Android) than's possible with BTv1.4. Same is true with BTv2.0 It's like having a sports car, do you really want to go back to a sedan? Fred

I would strongly advise against attempting to use a 3rd party plugin to create a app until there's verified that the plugin works. That's a job for beta testers, not for everyone. I've created several apps with BTv2.1.6 no serious problems once I figured out how to name my images correctly. I don't plan on creating any more app with BTv1.5 or BTv1.4. Fred

Thanks Fred, Version 1.4 (web) version 1.5(listed in the files in server download) is there a different 1.5 also ??? Well ... yes the web is beta and the server is beta, I do understand that. As for the Sports car /sedan comparison ... If the sports car will do 100 but can not open the doors, the sedan will only do 50 but the doors all work, I like the sedan better. The server will go 100 but it will not let me open the door with a logo in the menu. Yes, this does seem very confusing. If you strongly advise against using 3rd party plugins, then it goes back to my statement that the web is currently better than the downloadable server. In the downloadable server I can not get a logo image or backgrounds for the buttons, this does work on the web site. So I guess I am out of luck on using what the web has and the feature I want, cause it is not available in the server (it is a 3rd party plugin) so the server does not have the capabilities that the web does. Yes the server itself works great, runs and created lower quality apps (compared to what can be made on the web) for my uses, purposes and desires. I do have to say that the server version has more possibilities that the web version, there can be no argument there at all. But lowering the capabilities of what it can produce out of the box, and stating it is better, is the confusing part. I guess I would say that the server COULD BE better once all the capabilities / plugins / etc. have been migrated to it. Until then I would not be able to say it is better, it is not even an equivalent in capabilities until 3rd party plugins are included as part of it, or replaced with an official version, or they get them to work for all platforms that buzztouch offers capabilites to make apps for (meaning iOS and android, not just one). I have to add, I can not comment on the early adopter as I know nothing about it yet, besides it is an upgrade or better version that the web (1.4) If that version has more capabilities or possibilities that the BT_2.0 server ,then let me at it so I can check it out and see if it can do what I would need it to do, act like and have the same capabilities as the web version.

Send me you email and I'll shows you an app created on BTv2.1.6 with buttons with images. Besides menu (list) with icons, Tell me one feature that BTv2.1.6 doesn't have that BTv1.5 (Android) has. Haven't taken inventory but I'm not missing BTv1.5. Fred

HAHAHA ok Fred, Got me laughing now. You were able to get the logo and buttons working on the BT_20 server ? If so how can it be accomplished by others that would like to use the features. I can not comment on what 1.5 has. I do not have v1.5 (unless you are refering to the version number in the BT_20 download). If there is a 1.5 out there besides the web and downloadable server, I can not answer that, as I do not have it and can not comment on what I do not have or am able to look at. I can not say that a different software (the 1.5 android you mentioned) would be better or worse until I can look at it and play a bit. The only thing I can say that I would like to see are, menu listing icons, header logo in menus, pretty much a working Simple Menu List Advanced (PLUGIN) setup that works for android. (header logo and listing options). (sort of like how the web does it now) I am not referring to the buttons_menu icons or such. I want a vertical list of buttons that go across the width of the screen, not square blocks icons like buttons_menu I can deal without the icons or description line, but the logo is a big thing. Words do not SHOW enough, per say. If you do have a way to do this I will send my email and hopefully can start devel again soon. I am at a standstill until those options/features work, as they will be needed for the app to pass our Teams inspection/checking/etc. Thanks

I have to add, that 2.1.6 (downloadable server) DOES have more functions that the web version does, but in the same sentence it does not have some of the features. Again I can not compare the downloadable server to anything besides the web version because those are the only 2 versions I know of.

The web version to which you you refer to is BTv1.4 & BTv1.5. You access it via the Buzztouch website and the software is running on servers controlled by Buzztouch. The new Release BT Server v2.1.6 you'll install on a server you control. Read this blog for more info on BTv2.0 http://wp.me/p1ZRa7-6d

Ok, then I am not as confused as I thought. The old version is the web version, the newer version is the downloadable server. If the offer of the completed working app is still open, I will email you via the address in the blog. With that I may be able to figure out why I can not get them to work on my install. Let me know and I will send off an email from perrynet's android account. I have to stress I DO like buzztouch a lot, don't get me wrong on that part. I am just looking to get the same features and functions that I have used in the past (on the web site here).

I understand sometimes change is difficult. See my name for my email address.

Yes change can be difficult, I can not argue with that. I was just expecting the downloadable server to have the same plugins/features that the web version does. It does have some that are not on the web (which I do like), but I miss the ones that I have and am using already. Fred, I sent off the email. Thanks

I am using Buzztouch 1.5. Should I be thinking about getting the server instead?

@Scottie, read this https://myskylla.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/buzztouch-v1-4-v1-5-or-v2-1/

@ Fred Sorry, I did not seem to get the email, if you sent it off.

I never received anything, therefore I don't have your email try again. Fred

HMMMM strange. I use it all the time. Am on break at work right now so will look into it later today when I get home. Thanks ADDED: Was curious to why you did not get it. Remote logged into our servers and looked them over. The email was sent out. Sent another one.

This is strange, very strange. We are not on any blacklists, but the emails I sent off to you got bounced back to the postmaster here. I use the email daily for many sites and it works just fine on all others, not sure what is wrong. I guess I am going to have to think about this a bit more and see what I can do. It is really strange, cause this site does not like the email address either. These are the only 2 times I have had that happen, not sure why though.

Try fredjramos at aol dot com

Well sent it out, nothing back to postmaster yet. or a bounce back to the account. HOPEFULLY it worked this time

Fred is it possibly to update an app from 1.5 to 2.0 if you completely rebuild the app in the new service and submit and update either apk or itunes update?

I believe the answer is yes. The trick is to be able to match the package name from one version to another. That's why you can not update a BTv1.4 app to another version, you can't match the new package name to the BTv1.4 package name. I've seen this discusion on the Forum (use the search to find it) and am quite confortable in my positon that you can. I have not done so because I have not publish an app to Android Market (soon very soon!) so it's just theory for me at the moment. If you find a thread where someone was able to do so (I vaguely recall being part of one such thread, but need either more memory or a shot of whiskey to remember.) please send or post the link.

Hey Fred, Well I never got that email returned to the account or the postmaster. I hope that you also received it. Let me know when you send out the tutorial app (so to speak). HMMM, I wonder if that may not be a bad idea, if possible, to make tutorial apps, that show and describe the features. Sort of like a HOW-TO but more interactive (when looking at the HOW-TO while using the app). Not necessarily to show the basic, choose this page, that page, etc., more like the parts that keep getting asked on the forum here.

Hello Fred, Did you receive my email ?

Don't think so try: Fred j Ramos at aol dot com

@Fred thanks for the link

@Fred I sent one out yesterday, did not use CAPS , so will try that.