It strikes me as very odd and fundamentally unprincipled to launch a website that exploits a development tool suite that was created by Buzztouch. What is the purpose of external websites at this moment in time? Add-ons and plug-ins, hold on. While BT is deeply immersed in the heavy lifting and fine tuning of a platform that benefits the entire community others are looking at ways to advance their own agendas. Huh A few put in the blood sweat and tears to benefit the many and some things recently seem like a slap in the face to the people that brought us together in the first place. I feel confident that there are lots of great new things in store for us on the new BT website and that is has a place for plugins, continues the user generated tutorials and grows at the phenomenal rate that it has. Spin off sites are inevitable and are testament to the quality of the product, however as the Buzztouch community grows we have to all rally together and support the guys that made it possible to quickly and easily create and support apps, I'm somewhat perplexed and find it to be a poor show when I see tutorials written on here appearing on other sites like they are somehow written for that site. Ethically, hmm, that's what you have? I remember Dot Net Nuke when they kicked off, I was there, I remember it well. Lets call a spade a spade here. It's always, in any walk of life, easy to come in and fill some gaps when the foundations have been set and pass the work off as your own and capitalize on the work and ideas of others. GoNorthWest MGoBlue IanJamesPiano RayeyD, my Swedish friends and the others who's names escape me, I salute you. So... If you are asked to provide content to another site or another bunch of guys, ask yourself the question, how did we all get here? I'm all for entrepreneurs that want to fill a niche in the marketplace and BT has done that so I don't understand the mindset of people that take it upon themselves to promote their own agenda on the back and strength of others work. Maybe it's just me. If I had more time I'd write less. Night all!

I'm with you my brother!

Couldn't agree more - Cheers to you partner, all helpful folks on the forum & all the BT folks that made this a reality and laid the foundation.

Figured I could add another opinion to this post, it's worth doing. I'm typing fast so expect some grammar issues. IT WILL BE LONG so grab some coffee. Lots and lots of discussions about this very topic have been top-of-mind for us lately. It's nearly a full time job to handle literally hundreds of daily inquiries from folks with super-duper-amazing ways to get us rich. Mysterious ninja developers that want a piece of this, authors that insist that including their amazing e-books 'in the apps' would make us all millions, get-rich-quick folks that 'know the app market better than anyone' (ex social networking experts until that fell by the wayside, funny), partners that undertand in app purchase, push notification, and other top-secret stuff that 'guarantee that their product combined with our product would change the world' and all sorts of other folks. Bottom line, these hyper-fanatical marketers have zero idea how to code, think they are experts about something that ALL OF US ARE ONLY NOW LEARNING, and are so naive' it's almost comical. The fact is, a few short years ago there were a few 'app builder' ideas online, ours was one of them. We'de like to think that we started this thing and we may have but it's likely that lots of us online programmer dudes shared similar ideas around the same time but didn't realize it. Today there are over 500 (not a typo, and yes we keep track) 'app builders' and online services to help folks 'build apps.' Most of these services are nothing more than some ambitious developers looking for work in this new and exciting market because they've not yet figured out how to make a living developing anything else. Really, thats what most of them are, almost a starving artist thing. However, there are some that have secured financing, large amounts sometimes, and promise to do great things, we wish all of them well but KNOW FOR A FACT that a very very low percentage of them will ever make a dime, won't gain any traction, and won't provide a return to their investors. $1 million to make an online database tool, really? Whad'ya get for that, %20 of a company with zero revenue, no proven market, and a product that offers literally NO VALUE to their customers. Seems like a bad deal to me. Think of it this way: Developer a) needs a few million bucks to build a tool that helps folks make websites. Developer b) wants a few million bucks to help folks make tiny websites (oh, wait, apps with super power because they have access to the devices capabilities, lets call these super tiny sites because they are a wee-bit (etal Keith) better than just a regular tiny site). Which developer to you invest in? Me, neither. Neither because they are selling a SERVICE, not a scaleable solution to a very large problem. Very very few of these 500 'app builders' have any intellectual property. The IP is the key, what is it, who owns it, and who needs it. New York, LA, and San Fran used to be filled with 'developer shops' that made fine livings charging high prices to create cool websites. They are all gone. Not because cool websites are not useful anymore, they are gone because it's easy to do what they once did for a high price. Logic, that's all. A short lived business model is always a short lived business model. Short lived business models almost never have any intellectual property and I'll bet you can't name one webshop today that has a valuable secret thats worth protecting? Hint, skill and experience does not equal valuable intellectual property. Sorry web gurus, your skill is valuable but it's not intellectual property. In our case, it's our opinion (and not only ours) that we have some valuable intellectual property, that's worth perfecting and worth protecting. Perfecting things takes a very long time. When it's not-perfected it's not very useful. When it's perfected it's very useful and maybe even worth something. Finally, back to the topic at hand....folks attempting to hijack the goodness of our cool project, ideas, intellectual property. This is happening, will always happen, and cannot be stopped. It's both flattering and frustrating. It gets especially frustrating when you're as sensitive as us. We are not sensitive about sharing code and seeing folks make a few bucks by getting creative with our ideas (see previous paragraph), we are sensitive when folks make claims, with our name attached, that are untrue. This rarely happens. Of course it can happen, and has, but usually does not. Usually when this happens is more of an enthusiastic, naive, young (typically) and inexperienced person than a skilled, experienced, been-there-done-that person. In the case of buzztouchmods.com (may as well mention them, they are the most recent enthusiastic go-getters) it's exactly this. A few young folks doing what they think is best. Nothing more. Of course we may be proven wrong in this opinion but time will tell. We've intentionally not promoted or insulted buzztouchmods.com, or any other folks that are trying to get their heads around the up-n-coming plugin idea. We have promoted @GoNorthwest's cool buzztouch Users Group because it's not at all about creating new things and is all about sharing HOW to learn, improve, and support BT. We had a few discussions with the BT mods.com guys recently, cleared up our opinions (ours and theirs) and explained that we don't yet know exactly how to allow third party devs to participate, profit, and share in the benefits that BT may offer them. We also explained a few ways they could make things easier on us (and them) as it relates to content, where it comes from, and who it belongs to. Time will tell if they understand this. They have already made a few changes to their site and it appears that they are doing their best to NOT infringe on any rights. They probably have more progress to make but are certainly trying. This is a great outcome as far as we are concerned. Really, it is. What could be better than having super-fans create sites all over the darned place full of folks interested in mobile dev? Keep in mind that when we begin selling software it's very very likely that these sites will be of no use to their visitors unless their visitors have the licensed software. Open source software does not mean zero cost in all cases ;-) The new BT site will clear up lots of these questions. We are 100% convinced that open-source is better and we are 100% committed to taking the risks associated with this idea. We are also 100% sure that our brand, company, and image will be BETTER OFF with a large number of secondary sites promoting our philosophy. Bottom line is this, we don't like our name being associated with bogus code or results but we'll never be able to stop this but we CAN help reduce it by being supportive of all those that support us. Stop supporting us, we'll stop supporting you. Pretty easy I'de say. Like I've said lots of times before, I could talk forever about this idea and will save you from more rants this time. In the meantime, our supporters and all the folks that understand how tough it is on us to sleep 4 hours a day, answer the same questions over and over again, AND move ahead with all that needs to be done - you are much appreciated. And, if it means anything, the fact that you 'get it' enough to defend us when it feels appropriate is enough to keep us confident that we'll all be better off in the long run if we get this darned thing perfected! night. d.

I wish there was a 'like' button... (:

@David - well said, and I agree with @shawngs about a like button. We really appreciate you and all the BT team.

Hi MacApple, great points there. What every user of BT should go for is to keep this ecosystem as in-sourced as we can in order to help the BT team provide the same fabulous service they've been doing for some time now(and I'm only a few months old in here). For sure, the time will come when BT will be out there with the big gamers like Joomla, Droopal, Wordpress, to name a few. And at that time, for sure, satellite sites with lots of content to be used within BT will be there to tell the BT story and monetize on the back of BT. It is inevitable. A good service is like a light bulb with little critters flying around it to get in the action and draw some sweet light out of it. I will always back BT up with whatever I can. I'm so glad to be a part of this next big thing! Thanks again BT team and I'm sure the majority of users will support you from now on too as they did until now. PS. David, don't forget to update us on the Crunchies awards.

I was not aware of such spinoff's and it saddens me that anyone thinks corporationism will beat co-operatism (scholars of the English language I am sorry). All members are agreed that BT should be fiscally rewarded for their input just as we are rewarded when we make an app. For someone to make a financial reward when others at the table are not eating yet is greedy, BT have been open in all aspects, so if someone comes along with a monitised closed addon thats like being given a free playground but some of the older kids are charging for the slide. I am trying to start a tiny little thing where I can do little apps for local business and interested parties whilst learning more about coding. David, Parker etc have been nothing but encouraging, if I learn anything that helps anyone on BT it will and should be posted. If I get any little job beyond my skills I will post it to the forum. I and others should eat when everyone else is at the table. And David should get to carve the turkey.

@ ___Vali___: Crunchies.... didn't make the final cut. No worries, thanks for the votes there's always next time. I'll add a message on the landing page so all can see this. Good reminder!

The Crunchies obviously suffer from a lack of vision..