If we get clients, it would be awesome to have a integrated simplistic forum like this for our buzz servers (instead of implementing a third party one) - seems only logical! I know you guys are working on a new version, completely redesigned, all that good stuff - but all we need for the server is something simple like this - and its already developed! So what do you say? Do you think you guys would be willing to release this forum as a separate package to the buzz server? something like, the optional buzzforum attachment for the buzzserver. This would make my day, instead of spending a month trying (and I do emphasize TRYING) to copy this and integrating it into the server, talk about the hours and headaches! David

Not going to happen. Unless you can come up with a reason why we would ask users to visit thousands of different forums, it makes no sense. Not for you, us, or the users. If you're thinking in that reagard, heck, why not just copy the entire site? Really, whats the difference? It sounds like you've struggled for a few hours / days / weeks already trying to emulate the forum, why stop there? Oh, wait, why bother? You should probably copy something a bit more profitable, like Google, or Amazon, or NetFlix, or one of the other sites that make tons of cash. No sense it wasting anytime on this one. LOL. I'm not trying to sound like an ass, I'm trying to illustrate a point you've been hitting on for quite sometime. We've said it lots of times before, we are not spending thousands of hours and thousands of dollars (hundreds of thousands actually) to push traffic and clients and do-it-yourselfers away from BT. That makes no sense. Our efforts are focussed on putting together efficient, organized, web based tools that help folks create and manage apps. If the users that enjoy our tools copy them, reproduce them, and create hundreds of compeitor sites literally exactly like ours, we all lose. Imagine how silly it would be if there were five hundred Googles. Again, nobody wins. We are happy to release code and projects and solutions without charging folks but we are not happy to see the same folks create solutions and sites that litereally compete with our core audience. Duh. You've referred to your clients a few times. What it boils does to is what you are charging your clients for? If you're not offering a value, service, professional service, you're right, they don't need you and they should probably just hire a developer or use a site like ours if they want to do-it-themselves. But, if you are, they need you badly. Keep in mind, there are very very few folks that can do what you've figured out how to do, these are the folks that need you. They will pay you and they will have zero trouble understading what tools you use to power your enterprise. It all boils down to this: If they can (and should be) doing it themselves, you'll be best off directing them towards us. If they cannot, and need help, charge them a fair price and make a great relationship, they will appreciate you for a very long time.

Hi David, There are a lot of forum-solutions (free) available out here on the internet. For sure I would use another option because this is by far the most worst forum I've ever seen/used. Have a look at this link and use one of them (with or without the mobile template) http://www.btugwiki.com/index.php/Embedded_forum You could also try to setup your complete website with joomla (or other cms) and integrate one of the available forums (for joomla: Kunena forum) Best Regards, Danny

Worst Forum: Amen! It's a bad forum because it's not a forum at all, it's a list of questions. Funny. I've for sure seen some other ugly / useless imlementations of 'forum' packages and I think it boils down to what the original intention was. In this case, it kinda evolved into a growing list and quickly got out of hand. Since then, priorities have changed so quickly that it evolved even further into a pain in the butt. We'll get there.

really guys complaining about a bad ass service oh and free

Hey David, I think you are misunderstanding my intentions - I did not mean for it to be like that. When I say clients, I am talking about offering my buzz server as a service for referrals on my apps, then offering live help with the creation of the apps (all for free, there is no charge besides advertisements on the site itself). The benefits are that I will be giving live help (literally with a live chat program and 24/5 team viewer online, includes phone services) and will be working one on one with my clients (my clients or services will be used for the jail broken scene (thats my target market), something buzz isn't really in touch with just yet. My services will include compilation and help with getting them jail broken submission ready and getting them online. (the jailbrake scene can be a tough cookie to crack even if you have an application already). These would be very cool and unique services offered by almost no-one. I am not seeking to compete with buzz itself, that would be stupid. What I want to do however is build a smaller business (FREE) based around the server for an audience that could use it greatly. That's my idea anyways (I havent even worked on it, I am just re-doing my apps in the server for me now, what I said above is just the idea for later). I hope you undersand what I am trying to do - I understand your frustration. Worst forum? I think its amazing (other then the searching and the threads in forum(s) that is missing, the simplicity of this forum is to die for, I'm in love with it, and will miss it when it's gone xD It just sucks I had to give away my little plan, I just wanted to elaborate on my intentions, I think you have the wrong idea xD David.

Hi st726, I didn't want to offend someone or complain about anything. Maybe my word where not the right kind of choice. I'm really happy with everything offered here. Only thing thing I wanted to say that there are more suiteable options out in the internet that serves the purpose better. Nothing less nothing more..... Again I really appreciate everything that is done here THANK YOU THANK YOU and sorry if I was mistaken (or I wrote it badly) Best Regards, Danny

Nobodies offended on this end. It's just an ongoing effort to help everyone understand where we stand, thats all. You deserve that. It's all a balance of what we are trying to do and what you are trying (and needing in some cases) to do. We totally get it. But, like everything else, there is a line that we shouldn't cross. If it feels like somebody needs a little help understanding where this line is, we speak up. @David and @PSMDanny, you guys are some of the most savvy internet users we have. This is awesome and we are sincere and genuine when we offer our help at all hours of the day and night. You get this, which is why you appreciate it. But, like the previous few comments, I'm gonna be the first to throw some jabs and kinda nudge you a bit when it feels like you're asking us to give you, literally, what we've spent so much effort on. Again, I get it that that's not the intention, just a matter of saying it outloud sometimes. Lastly, I wasn't 100% kidding when I said copy Google, Netflix, etc. All services, including this one, have a ton of room for improvement and what's 'cool' and 'useful' today will quicly become 'lame' and 'bogus' tomorrow. For this reason, starting from an existing source, AKA, 'the problem' is totally reasonable and very very common. None of our ideas (yours, mine, anyones) are 100% unique, they all come from something else. With that said, if you can come up with a unique service, like @David describes a few posts up (jail broke is cool stuff, wish I knew more about it) where these tools could help you accomplish your goals faster, go for it! night all, love this stuff.

Hi David@buzztouch, Thanks for your kind words en detailed explanation. You're right (I agree) about everything you say. Last thing to say is that I also have only good/best intentions and I try to help people (with my limited skills) over here where-ever I can. Good night and Best Regards, Danny

Sounds good David - It's good to be able to all be on the same page. And thanks for the post PSM! Like I said, I wanted simplicity that also integrated into the server nice (like this one), I'm very familiar with other forums ^_^ We all love buzztouch! That is one thing we can whole heartily agree on! Take care all! David.