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03/17/11 07:24 PM (14 years ago)

Can you SELL an App on the Appstore when YouTube video is included?

I've been told by by a manufacture that they wouldn't allow me to SELL my App in their store because I use my Youtube video feeds. They pointed to the Youtube TOS, and it does mention that Youtube is for personal use etc etc. Has anyone else been able to SELL apps on the store (or other Windows, Nokia, Apple/iTunes etc) when using a Youtube feed? Does anyone have an alternative video host that maintains Mrss for commercial use? PS: Right now, Revver.com is down!
 
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03/18/11 12:42 AM (14 years ago)
Hi in Detroit: This is the first time we've heard this and it's very interesting and potentially troubling. What manufacture are you refering to that won't allow you to sell your app? Are you talking about an App Store, or a phone builder? Confused about this question. Next, there are THOUSANDS of examples of iOS and Android apps that are NOT FREE that include YouTube videos. However, this doesn't mean you can sell an app that contains YouTube content that is not rightfully yours to sell. Another way to say it, if the video's aren't yours, you shouldn't be charging people to see them - right? I'm thinking it's not a for-sale issue, I'm thinking it's a copyright issue (in the opion of whoever told you no) - my two cents. I'de be interested in learning more about this...plz re-post what you discover.
 
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03/18/11 07:04 AM (14 years ago)
My understanding is that you can use Youtube videos if you own them or have written permission (email) from the owner to say you can use them. I agree with David, it is a copyright issue more than anything else.
 
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03/18/11 08:52 AM (14 years ago)
It's NOT a copyright issue. The content is mine, I'm a filmmaker. Get that out of your head please. Mfr: Nokia's Ovi store. Yes, I find it troubling. I have to say, if you read into the Youtube Tos, it mentions the site is to be used for personal use and it suggests that content cannot be delvered through other devices. (I realize their terms are non-specific -- but that's the killer!) So I've been beating my brains trying to find an affordable alternative. Blip says their non-commercial (who knew - they're selling ads right - so how can they take this position?) It's safer to find an alternative video host that offers safeguards: If/when a hacker dnloads or streams an outrageous number of vids, you don't want to be paying for bandwidth, do ya? Solutions anyone (keep in mind Revver is down...and maybe out?
 
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03/18/11 10:18 AM (14 years ago)
I have an app for sale ($) on the iTunes app store with a youtube video I own. 'Tis possible.
 
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03/18/11 12:49 PM (14 years ago)
@elaine - Ya know, I've heard this alot! I guess it's just Nokia is being picky (you've probably heard their store has a problematic history.) May I ask, do you use an upload or playlist feed? Also, I see Youtube has a setting that sets a channel to private, yet keeps the public RSS feeds. Is this what you use?
 
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03/18/11 05:22 PM (14 years ago)
@MovieMaker: Great that it's your content - changes the discussion alot. So.... parking video's somewhere can get costly, as you well know. I wonder if Facebook or another social network provides a URL to upload content? Not a web-page housing the content, the video itself. Hmm... thinking about this. What about UStream, they may also allow video uploads. Not sure how else to advise.
 
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03/19/11 07:38 AM (14 years ago)
I am no lawyer but I have spoken to a few and really this goes a lot of ways... Now from my standpoint I don't have a youtube account.. SO I did not agree to there user guidelines. So from a Buzztouch app would it not be a link to a url??????? I sure wish some lawyers could add some free comments here. Read away at this: http://www.cybertelecom.org/ip/link.htm
 
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03/19/11 09:25 AM (14 years ago)
Mrss! That's key one! The feed must carry the thumbnail and the video content. Std RSS/Atom only delivers a link or a thumbnail with a link. It's tough to find something that will work. I've tried different categories of service: Sevenload, Videopress, Shutterfly, Podbean, Godaddy's ME, and they don't do Mrss or won't allow their service to be accessed through another method [gateway-device-for-sale] or must be used for personal [non-commercial]. (It seems VideoBlogs may be area of service to search for.) Hipcast has not replied to my inquiries.
 
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03/19/11 10:46 AM (14 years ago)
Hi moviemaker, my video is public for all to see, and I just copied the URL of it into buzztouch youtube input field. All the best, Elaine.
 
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03/19/11 12:51 PM (14 years ago)
...Thank you Elaine. @ David Book - please see my previous post - I hope this is a thought starter.
 
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03/20/11 12:55 AM (14 years ago)
@MovieMaker Which post are you referring to, I'm very interested in this topic and figuring out this RSS / Atom / feed issue as it related to vidoes. Q: Do you have a website to store you conent (vidoes) on or not? It appears (from your forum posts) that you don't. If you do, there may be an easier way to 'pipe' videos to your buzztouch app. If you don't, we're kinda back to the beginning of the thread. Just trying to do my part and learn the sitch' so I can offer useful help.
 
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03/20/11 08:20 AM (14 years ago)
mar19 post. I identify some of the hosts of different catergories of svc. I have the videos on youtube. I considered pipeing via yahoo. just didnt' want to get red flagged by ovi again. i started accounts with dozens of svcs, because in most cases a user has to sign up to see the tos and then post a video to test the rss. i just thought you could help. i should just forget ovi because they have a bad store-rep anyway.
 
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03/20/11 10:35 PM (14 years ago)
Hi MovieMaker: Yes, this does make sense, but I still don't know if you can host the videos youself or not. I can try to engineer a solution but the best approach could involve hosting the files on your website, which is why we need to know if you can host them or not. I realize you have the videos on youtube, do you have them stored elsewhere also (elsewhere that is available with a URL).
 
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03/21/11 07:09 AM (14 years ago)
Hi David, I usually remove the videos when I find out mRss is not an option. Playwire = no mRss. Clipshacks commercial svc is mucho $. Confusing is Blip.tv - how they can monetize your content, but take a personal use only position. If I had Blips ear Id ask Why not empower their clients to make money in every venue possible...employ mRss with a revtag system or offer a paid solution?
 
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08/12/11 07:47 PM (14 years ago)
It is not a copywrite issue.. Just like if you make money off of adds on your website and have youtube videos embeded on your site, The person cannot even ask you to take it off, they must turn off embedding, then if you find a way around it, you are stealing it There is a prime example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1wKsy8RP0Y there are about 100 apps in the store that make money off of linking to others youtube videos.. Smoshs app is actually not even affiliated with them at all.. The user agreement with youtube is that your videos are free press, just like any show on tv, you can record it and repost it legaly to any website.. etc.. Look at tosh.0 he makes millions on his show, playing and making fun of youtube videos... :-) There is your answer.
 
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08/13/11 01:10 PM (14 years ago)
@Slater. You're wrong. You're examples might point you to a conclusion, but Youtube TOS specifically says different (unfortunately.) Users may only use their services for personal use (NOT COMMERCIAL) AND the TOS also says that you cannot access Youtube content through a paid gateway. Yes, this may seem to contradict their monetization options AND their Partnership arrangements.
 
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08/13/11 08:40 PM (14 years ago)
After some review you are right... cant sell the apps but you can put ads on it..
 

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